Jason O ([info]botswana) wrote,
@ 2005-05-26 16:17:00
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Thinking about Star Wars V
Yeah, it's been a long time in coming.

So by this point I have seen the movie twice. Once at a light night showing last week, and again the following Friday with my 6 year old son. I know, I know. I took a 6 year old to a PG-13 movie. You may boil me in oil later. I did at least preview the movie first.

I think a quote I read on a forum I frequent summed up the movie pretty well. "If you don't like this movie then you just don't like Star Wars."

I think that is fair, because most of the complaints I hear about Episode III are pretty well applicable to every movie in the series. I think there are fans out there that are just determined to hate everything Lucas does and any endeavor he dares set upon after 1983 is "raping their childhood". Note, I hate that expression with a passion.

Revenge of the Sith was good, it was not great. That's ok because I wouldn't call any of the movies great after the original Star Wars anyway. Honestly, the original was only great because nothing like it had ever been done. It wasn't exactly science fiction, it sure as hell wasn't fantasy, it had revolutionary special effects. In short, there has never been anything like it before and you can't just recreate that magic by producing sequels.

The movie certainly had its weak points, as expected, but it delivered where it needed to. The final scene with Vader was silly. I get that the Emperor had to drive out the last of Vader's humanity, and I understand the purpose of the scene. It was the execution that was flawed. Still, it had the one scene that, in my mind, was essential to making it the transition to the original film. Obi-Wan with the infant Luke in hand, walking in the desert to give the child to the Lars family.

It also had the 2nd scariest lightsaber fight since Luke confronted Vader in Empire Strikes Back. When Windu faced down Darth Sidious, I honestly did not know who would win. I knew what the final outcome was going to be, that isn't hard to figure out considering what we already know. Still, when Sidious struck down the other three Jedi, people we saw who had survived the previous film, I seriously wondered if Mace wasn't in over his head.

I'm sure some people will go to this movie and be disappointed. Opinions do vary. I do think the utter piece of crap that some people claim it is are too bitter and too biased to have arrived at that fairly. Sorry, I've seen some pretty bad movies in my day. If you consider this film to be utter crap, you've obviously been watching nothing but critically accalimed award winning movies your entire life. Call it bad? Fair enough. Cinematic sewage? I think some people just can't let go of the fact that they don't get to define what Star Wars is.



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[info]zippoinms
2005-05-26 02:29 pm UTC (link)
"I think some people just can't let go of the fact that they don't get to define what Star Wars is."

Bingo. Nail on the head, right there.

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[info]grafxman256
2005-05-26 02:32 pm UTC (link)
"If you don't like this movie then you just don't like Star Wars."

I really don't think that's a fair statement. From my observations, the only people who really liked this movie were already Star Wars fans (which is what, over half the US population?), but there are plenty of Star Wars fans who didn't like it.

I felt the pacing and acting were much more enjoyable/believable/likable in the original trilogy than in any of the prequels. I think that's where they failed and why they're just not as good. I don't believe it's "youth goggles" that causes this perception. Heck, I can't stand watching most of the shows I was really in to when I was a kid because they really suck/didn't age well. The original Star Wars managed to hold up over time and age. I don't believe the new trilogy will fair as well.

I joke that it was a piece of garbage, but I really don't feel that way. Even the Phantom Menace is a fun movie that I enjoy, but I wouldn't rank it among the top movies of all time like I would with the original trilogy.

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[info]botswana
2005-05-26 02:41 pm UTC (link)
Fair enough. However, at the forum in question the person that hated the movie so much called it "utter shit". His exact words.

Could someone who is a Star Wars fan walk away and not like this movie? Sure, but I suspect they will not be in the majority.

Anyone who could walk away and call the movie "utter shit" is far too gone to have possibly have enjoyed it.

I think the funniest comment I've read was "I went in expecting it to stink and I was not disappointed!" Ya think?

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[info]mik99
2005-05-26 02:51 pm UTC (link)
That's funny, I feel like it's perfectly reasonable and objective to feel that the movie was flawed and poorly executed on every level. Filmically the directing was flat and plastic, the writing astoundingly amateurish, the pacing monotonous throughout, the excitement absent any encouragement of real emotion, and most of the leading actors seemed to be completely unwilling or unable to truly inhabit the life of their characters.

The only thing the film (and the entire Prequel trilogy, to some extent) has going for it is that it's Star Wars. No film based in a universe less adored than Star Wars could have gotten away with such uninspired storytelling. It's not enough for me to merely see these mythic events portrayed on screen. I demand at least an attempt at quality filmmaking. The storytelling is just as important as the story. I walked out of Return of the Sith having lost any ability to make excuses for George Lucas and these new movies any longer. "We already knew George Lucas isn't a great director or writer," isn't an excuse to berate detractors of the movie for having unrealistic expectations, it's the reason the movies aren't that good. I'm not terribly upset about it, it hasn't changed my appreciation of the original trilogy one bit, and it's certainly not consuming my life, but I'm not so blinded by my love of the original three as to pretend I'm not seeing shit onscreen when I am just because it's attached to Star Wars.

I'm not trying to convince anybody to like the movies less, in fact I wish I liked them more, it would have been very nice to have the series rounded out in a way I dug. I'm just a little tired of people pretending the only reasonable conclusion to arrive at is that the movies were at least "okay."

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[info]mropus
2005-05-26 03:26 pm UTC (link)
I'm pretty sure Mace was in way over his head and just didn't realize it until the end. Sidious threw that fight so Anakin would see what he saw. If it was a straight up no holds barred fight, I think Sidious would have creamed him.

I'm a Star Wars fan and I loved the movie. After seeing it twice and reading the novel (which I highly recommend everyone do) only ESB was a better film in my opinion. Of course, I am easily entertained. :)

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[info]jonthegm
2005-05-26 04:52 pm UTC (link)
I keep comparing this movie to American Graffiti. Where did GL's talent go?

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[info]noukon
2005-05-26 05:12 pm UTC (link)
He didn't direct a movie for twenty years. :\

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